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UFO might just as well stand for

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unprecedented Financial opportunity

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be normal

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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine Concepts events or

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers a few preconceptions snark when

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Justified no belief no debunking today

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we're going to be looking at the work of

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Eugene H Drake a contactee that very few

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people have ever heard of and I'll talk

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about how I came to learn of Drake as we

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get into things but just to set things

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out from the very beginning the one

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thing people know about Drake if they

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know anything about Drake is that he

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seems to have pioneered some standard

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adamsky style contact e tropes before

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George adamski did and adamski was the

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supposed first sort of classical contact

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D of the contact D era so did adamsky

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and Truman bathroom and other classic

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contactes just steal Drake's gimmick

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that's a good question let's Dive In

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so I first heard about Eugene Drake back

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in 2017 not long after I started this

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show on a website run by hakom Blomquist

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with the archives for The Unexplained

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lots of great contact the information

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there and then I promptly forgot about

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it until I think a listener wrote in

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about it a month or two ago and I went

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back to uh to the link that that they

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bookmarked and I recognized it and then

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of course of course after I started

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same time I started working on this

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episode actually Kurt Collins and Claude

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saucers That Time Forgot posted a very

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extensive story covering covering Eugene

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Drake so I've been scooped but hopefully

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there are still a few of you out there

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this because it's a very interesting

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that that promotion and self-promotion

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households who pay attention to UFO

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stuff While others do not and that's

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links to the saucers That Time Forgot

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article and uh hakan Blomquist article

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the in the show notes I'll make sure

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those are there now on to Eugene Drake

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who was he well he was born in

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him in 1922. here's how these problems

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cashier is held here as forger charged

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so stealing checks from his employer and

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money or Forge some money or steal some

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money however you want to talk about it

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case he he confessed so I assumed there

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impending Golden Age all new thoughts

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universal truth church so what were

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UFOs so when does Drake talk about UFOs

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reveal their presence end quote this may

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you know something happened and then he

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1947 or did did nothing happen

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stories about anything I I think that I

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would prefer to ignore the fact that he

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was a a a forger in the past and focus

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these spaceships with their discs or

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their commanders so desired could have

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and still can take over this planet at

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any time however they have no desire to

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interfere with our life here they only

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wish to assist us in arriving at a

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clearer understanding of the immutable

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I think it's fascinating that we've got

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something that is very much a

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stereotypical space brother contact e

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kind of scenario here published and

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distributed a couple years before

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adamski had his had his encounter he

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goes on to explain the spaceship says

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some of them are huge

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um with the parent ships not motherships

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I like how he he doesn't gender the

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large spaceships he says the parent ship

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is at least seven thousand feet long and

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500 feet in diameter with a crew of

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approximately 2500 beings there's

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officers in charge with pilots and

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Navigators and observers and technicians

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and scientists and other members

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required he says in the operation of the

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ship and then there are smaller craft

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being used in their visitation plan the

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ships are powered by electromagnetic

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force and they are heavily armed with

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powerful Ray weapons their cruising

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speed is about 27 thousand miles per

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hour which is amazing but in outer space

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for interplanetary travel they go even

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faster but they don't carry a lot of

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fuel they are able to convert the energy

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of light into electromagnetic force to

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propel their craft I'm not sure how that

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would actually work this further

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explanation of how they operate is is

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kind of interesting for reasons that I

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think you might find interesting I had

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no way to end that sense let's turn it

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they come into our atmospheric belts

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from their planets not in solid form but

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in an etheric form upon entering our

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atmosphere they through their Superior

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knowledge change the atomic elements in

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the construction of these ships and

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materialize them into the density which

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they are now using the beings on these

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various craft are also passed from the

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etheric to a dense form of matter and

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appear to materialize by speeding up the

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vibratory frequency of the atoms of the

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elements of which these craft are made

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as stated before they can move with

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great speeds

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visible to our physical site and when

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they desired slow them down and congeal

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this atomic energy to a more solid form

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there are elements known to them of

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which our scientists have no knowledge

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or understanding which they use and mold

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in whatever form idea or shape they wish

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[Music]

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I will admit when I first read this

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section as I read this booklet I saw the

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word etheric and my mind instantly went

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to the Borderlands science research

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Associates folks and Mark probert's

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channelings which talked about the

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etherships and the etheric beings and

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things like that but Drake describes

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this in a much more

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sort of sciency kind of way and I would

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be interested to know what kinds of

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ideas like this might have been

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circulating in science fiction writing

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at the time because it's a very science

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fictional idea although like many

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science fictional things except for

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flying cars we see Echoes of it in our

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own sort of scientific and technological

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development here in the 21st century uh

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one of the things this idea reminded me

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of that there's there's matter that they

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can shape and form into whatever they

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want reminded me of the idea of catams

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or claytronic atoms basically

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programmable matter that um that some

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some people

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are working with and I I will admit that

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I first learned about this idea in a

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Star Trek book uh probably 15 years ago

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so I'm not some sort of you know science

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uh science news nerd but uh I am a Star

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Trek nerd and that's where I I find

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these ideas but the idea that there is

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this matter that can be programmed or

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shaped into any number of things is is

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pretty fascinating so it has you know

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relations to nanotechnology and uh and

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Technology like that Drake goes on to

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explain that the space brothers are

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obviously concerned about the atomic

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weapons that we have been setting off

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and they are quote assembling for the

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increased violence on the earth the

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speeding up of the so-called Cold War

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and also to keep the atmosphere cleared

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of radioactive vibrations end quote

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there are holes in the atmosphere that

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have been created by the use of atomic

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weapons however the space Brothers have

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um have fixed that and quo vote they

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have sent what they call Fireballs

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blazing through our air to purify the

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same of radioactive particles and to

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prevent further vibratory waves

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traveling to the other planets rather

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confining the same to where they are

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originating so

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Atomic weapons testing has wrecked some

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stuff but it's been fixed and it

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presents a danger to the rest of the

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universe but they have fixed that as

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well so this is what they have come to

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uh to fix and the commander of the

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mission that Drake talked to had some

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the Commander in charge of this

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expedition to whom I've been talking

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advised that any wide-scale Atomic or

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hydrogen bombings will necessitate the

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use of powers beyond our conception to

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eliminate Laboratories airplane plants

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planes and such plants where such bombs

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are made and assembled and the planes

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carrying them as well as taken charge

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the beings controlling such destructive

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activity

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many of these space visitors Are from

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Venus Mars Saturn Jupiter and Uranus

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although some of them are coming now

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from other solar systems working in

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harmony with those whom we call elder

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Brothers of the solar system

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solar system is in charge of a great

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Cosmic being who directs all life under

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the great creative plan the Elder

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brothers or ethereans work under his

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direct supervision civilization will not

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be permitted to be destroyed as it was

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almost during the struggle between the

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Titans and the atlans lemurians prior to

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the sinking of lemuria and Atlantis

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[Music]

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lemurians atlanteans ancient

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destructions

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Elder brothers and great beings

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controlling things and the reference

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earlier to the the white Brotherhood

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there's a lot of this that goes back to

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earlier esoteric and theosophical ideas

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as we've seen in a number of examples

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from contactism and early ufoism during

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the 1940s and early 1950s there's not

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much new about what Drake is saying for

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us who have read about these things

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before but what is interesting and what

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was new at the time at least in a

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printed form as far as I can tell is

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that Drake was connecting these esoteric

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ideas explicitly to human-like beings

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from solar system planets who have

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concerns about the atomic bomb now I say

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in print because we know that George

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adamski was talking about these things

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we know that before Drake publishes this

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book adamski has published his science

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fiction novel pioneers of space which

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had similar ideas to what adamski would

449
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talk about later and that Drake is

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talking about here but we cannot get

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around the fact we can't ignore the fact

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that Drake

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has claimed contact with these beings

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now if I was a

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a damsky protege or booster I might say

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that that adamski's ideas might have

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been given to him by the space Brothers

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in some sort of non-physical way that he

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might have channeled some of their ideas

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some even unconsciously into pioneers of

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space I I don't think that's the case

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but I think it's fascinating that that

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Drake is pardon the use of the word here

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pioneering these ideas in 1950. next

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Drake talks about the various kinds of

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craft they have some are escort and

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fighter craft some are resemble a donut

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and have a crew of 50. one is a hundred

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feet across they have very many

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different kinds of craft mostly

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distinguished by their size and the size

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of of of the crew some are controlled by

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larger craft that are anywhere from two

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feet to 15 feet across shaped like tops

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and have been mistaken for Fireballs

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they're basically drones basically UFO

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drones but there's other other

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technology they have that is actually a

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bit more disturbing than their heavily

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they have a visoscope which they can

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focus so minutely as to look not only

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into a room where people are but right

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into their brains watching the

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pulsations when they are talking or

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thinking the brain cells throw off

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colorful lights as they vibrate some

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vibrate but little the right side of

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many Earth people's brains are almost in

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a dormant state

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they have an instrument that is about a

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foot square on top and then it is

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bell-shaped somewhat like a green pepper

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flat on the bottom which they set in the

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middle of a craft and from the light

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energy picked up from our atmosphere by

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this instrument it begins to oscillate

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the top section moving clockwise the

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other parts of the Bell portion moving

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both counterclockwise and clockwise as

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this movement increases in Tempo waves

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of light energy are pushed out into the

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ship and Beyond its walls for

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considerable distance and these waves

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are of Many Colors this motion vibrates

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so fast that the craft sets up a slight

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humming sound and under the control of

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the operator shoots out into space at

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terrific speeds this is the color seen

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by Earth people as the craft travels

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I do like the very gentle segue from

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talking about the device that can see

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into the inner workings of the human

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brain to the thing like a top that makes

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the colors come out of the Flying Saucer

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so they've surveyed our craft they've

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00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:20,520
they've surveyed us they've surveyed our

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00:22:26,330 --> 00:22:23,640
brains they possibly know about more

518
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,340
about us than we know about ourselves

519
00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:29,280
and even the things we do know probably

520
00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:32,940
don't come from our own brains this is

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00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:35,400
an interesting idea that Drake talks

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many of our scientists musicians poets

523
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:41,940
Etc have received much of their

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00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:43,740
understanding from higher Minds both

525
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karnat and disincarnate who have drawn

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close and impressed upon their

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Consciousness ideas which they claim as

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00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:51,780
their own this intelligence originated

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00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:53,340
in the higher spheres of Consciousness

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and was given to them that Humanity be

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00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:57,840
benefited and civilizations lifted up to

532
00:23:01,730 --> 00:23:00,179
more wonderful expression many wonderful

533
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:01,740
inventions have been seized by

534
00:23:05,810 --> 00:23:04,200
unscrupulous people capitalized upon for

535
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,820
their own personal gain with little real

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00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:07,919
thought for the upliftment of humanity

537
00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:10,620
except they had the financial means to

538
00:23:20,510 --> 00:23:17,810
all of our best ideas come from

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00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:20,520
the space people or at least the etheric

540
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:23,100
mind that is shared in by the space

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00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:24,120
people

542
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,220
after a while of talking about this

543
00:23:31,610 --> 00:23:28,799
technological stuff Drake gets to the

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Personnel of the ship and the commander

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00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:36,120
that he talked to named aramia so

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00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:39,840
what's aramia like and does he sound

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00:23:48,409 --> 00:23:46,190
the commander of one of these spaceships

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00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:48,419
known as aramia is five feet ten inches

549
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,539
tall very dignified solidly built fairly

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broad through the shoulders his hair is

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long and golden the cheeks are pink eyes

552
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,440
large and blue his Chin's strong he has

553
00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:00,720
a very pleasant expression he wears a

554
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:02,820
tight-fitting tunic of pearl shade silk

555
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:05,100
with gold and blue trim the collar of

556
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:07,080
which is three inches high open a little

557
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:09,240
at the throat with gold tabs at the ends

558
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:11,159
on the shoulders of the tunic are golden

559
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:12,840
epaulettes somewhat similar to the

560
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:15,179
boards worn by naval officers he wears

561
00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:16,440
tight-fitting trunks of the same

562
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:19,020
material Pearl silk with a golden zipper

563
00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:21,539
up one side of the calf his shoes are a

564
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:24,120
soft golden metallic material while his

565
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:25,980
manner is gracious he is very commanding

566
00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:27,960
one can feel the magnetic force

567
00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:30,179
emanating from this person his command

568
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,470
ship is from the planet Venus thank you

569
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:34,080
[Music]

570
00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:38,640
aramia is kind of an amalgamation and

571
00:24:41,570 --> 00:24:40,380
Collins and falkstrom sort of bring this

572
00:24:44,029 --> 00:24:41,580
up too

573
00:24:45,950 --> 00:24:44,039
um or at least some of it I

574
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:45,960
I can't remember exactly but okay they

575
00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,179
point out this is very similar to orthon

576
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:50,760
the long blonde hair things like that I

577
00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:52,260
think there's definitely some orthon

578
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,780
elements here but him being a commander

579
00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:56,400
of a spaceship having this commanding

580
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:00,780
presence and Charisma I I think this is

581
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:03,480
a guy who looks like orthon but his

582
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,120
personality is or just a lot of how this

583
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:09,000
is described is very

584
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,840
um very ashtar like so this is

585
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:14,700
interesting it's like uh it's like a

586
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:18,360
pilot episode for the entire contact D

587
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,960
era a little later we learn more about

588
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,480
about the crew and about what they wear

589
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:25,919
and what they look like and I've got to

590
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,039
say these these uniforms sound very kind

591
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:31,440
of ornate and very cool with the the

592
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,200
gold and and the golden zipper up the

593
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:36,960
calf I like that I like that detail but

594
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:43,669
the crew is composed of venusians from

595
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:46,140
36 to 42 inches tall they are well

596
00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:48,299
proportioned their skin is a light cream

597
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:50,520
color covered with fuzz like hair like

598
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,860
the down on a peach their eyes are large

599
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:54,720
and blue with hair blonde to Golden

600
00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:57,059
brows fairly heavy arched but little

601
00:26:02,090 --> 00:25:59,400
they go about their work silently eyes

602
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:02,100
flashing at times smiling their uniforms

603
00:26:06,110 --> 00:26:03,960
are light blue close-fitting tunics and

604
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,120
Trunks with shoes of the same material

605
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:08,820
fitting tight around the ankles many

606
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:10,559
have gold ornaments on their uniforms

607
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,120
indicative of rank

608
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:14,400
the commander aramia advises that these

609
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:16,140
little people are a specific racial type

610
00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:18,120
on Venus and that a race of little men

611
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:19,799
and women are to be found on Mars as

612
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,140
well while on Saturn they have a race a

613
00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:24,240
little taller but heavier and more gross

614
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,460
in appearance on Uranus and Neptune are

615
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,799
races of giants the little men of Venus

616
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:30,419
and Mars are highly skilled in the

617
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:32,220
handling of mechanical and electrical

618
00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:33,960
Machinery you might even call them

619
00:26:39,409 --> 00:26:35,700
Wizards when you consider their ability

620
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:40,909
I like that they're not all the same

621
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:42,600
that there are different kinds of people

622
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:46,020
on different planets and there isn't any

623
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:50,580
um overt indicators of status based on

624
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:53,940
on appearance or or species or race I'm

625
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:56,400
not sure how you want to say it although

626
00:27:02,690 --> 00:27:00,059
it is kind of uh telling that Commander

627
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:02,700
oremia is one of the taller sort of

628
00:27:09,230 --> 00:27:05,159
human looking people and that the people

629
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:09,240
doing the real work are the little fuzzy

630
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,340
um short people

631
00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,159
we also get a little bit of insight into

632
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:16,740
the the way sort of people interact with

633
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:22,370
The Operators of these craft when

634
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:24,179
reporting standard attention before one

635
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:25,799
of the officers or the commander and

636
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,240
make their statements telepathically

637
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:29,580
they Salute by extending the right arm

638
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,620
Palm up with the hands slightly above

639
00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:33,840
shoulder height when the commander gives

640
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:35,460
an order telepathically to any of his

641
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,620
crew one can feel the vibratory effect

642
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,600
of this thought beam and the force with

643
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,520
which it is directed seems to Electrify

644
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:43,679
those to whom it is sent as they snap

645
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,549
that telepathic order giving system

646
00:27:54,890 --> 00:27:51,960
sounds a little bit like

647
00:27:57,730 --> 00:27:54,900
um mind control or some sort of thought

648
00:28:01,070 --> 00:27:57,740
control sort of process and that salute

649
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:01,080
extending the right arm Palm up with the

650
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:05,520
hands slightly above shoulder height

651
00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:09,179
um I know what that sounds like to me it

652
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:12,140
sounds kind of nazi-ish

653
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,100
but uh

654
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:16,080
I don't know maybe we don't need to draw

655
00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:19,320
any necessary conclusions from that now

656
00:28:25,250 --> 00:28:22,440
it sounds a lot like a Nazi salute later

657
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,260
on we meet another Commander uh named

658
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,840
estralon she is

659
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:30,240
um the second flight Commander so ranks

660
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:33,179
below aramia and she has a ship of her

661
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:36,059
own they say

662
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,220
she is about five feet four inches tall

663
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:40,559
has the creamiest pink complexion I've

664
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:42,840
ever seen on any girl these venusians

665
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,400
all look so young it's difficult to tell

666
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:46,799
their ages her large blue eyes are like

667
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:49,500
mysterious pools of Sparkling Waters

668
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:51,720
full of Enchantment she's wearing a

669
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,820
uniform not unlike the one worn by

670
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,740
Commander aramia which reveals a very

671
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:58,080
trimmed figure I imagine she weighs

672
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,539
about 115 pounds while I could not

673
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,220
understand what she is saying to me in

674
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:05,039
her venusian tongue telepathically I am

675
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:06,600
able to coordinate her delightful

676
00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:09,179
musical tones comprehensively

677
00:29:15,529 --> 00:29:11,000
thank you

678
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,539
okay Gene settle down a little bit is

679
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:18,000
estralon the only woman on board oh

680
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:23,149
I noticed the other woman on board all

681
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,260
in uniform carrying out various tasks

682
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:26,880
yet none of them could compare to

683
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,880
estralon and figure and Beauty her love

684
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,919
power is intense as I am held in his

685
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:34,080
Radiance I just seem to melt into her

686
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,820
presence for a moment as her magnetic

687
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:37,919
Aura blends with and overshadows my own

688
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,200
I could only nod my head as she has

689
00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:42,000
presented to me as I am still shaken

690
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:44,100
from head to feet by the dynamic wave of

691
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:51,889
I assume you all caught one particular

692
00:29:57,289 --> 00:29:55,140
phrase in there but if not

693
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:57,299
none of them could compare to estralon

694
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:01,140
in figure and beauty

695
00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:06,120
this is not terribly far from Truman

696
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:09,779
bathrooms main squeeze Aura Reigns being

697
00:30:17,810 --> 00:30:14,340
tops in shapeliness and Beauty Collins

698
00:30:20,269 --> 00:30:17,820
and uh and falkstrom noted that and I I

699
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,279
noted that they noted it as I read their

700
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,279
article on it and and then you you see

701
00:30:26,889 --> 00:30:25,020
the words figure and beauty and you

702
00:30:30,769 --> 00:30:26,899
think tops and shapeliness and beauty

703
00:30:33,889 --> 00:30:30,779
and they're definite I mean that's

704
00:30:36,909 --> 00:30:33,899
that's not coincidence I I wouldn't call

705
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:36,919
that coincidence if a student

706
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,380
paraphrased something in that way and

707
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:43,140
didn't cite where they paraphrased that

708
00:30:49,070 --> 00:30:45,659
phrase from my plagiarism sensors would

709
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:49,080
go off it's it's suspect at best

710
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:52,200
esterlon teaches Drake about all kinds

711
00:30:59,090 --> 00:30:54,539
of things including about the origins of

712
00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:00,830
the first beings on your planet Earth

713
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:02,760
were landed by spacecraft they were

714
00:31:06,529 --> 00:31:04,260
selected by the Elder Brothers for their

715
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,539
purity wisdom ability and strength from

716
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:08,159
those volunteering from other planets

717
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:10,380
not only of the solar system but from

718
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,840
others belonging to what is known as a

719
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:14,880
cosmodon or Federation of planets of

720
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,980
other solar systems their instructors

721
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,720
were from the planet's Mercury and Venus

722
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,640
who when their period of instructed had

723
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:22,320
ended returned to their respective

724
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,299
planets other planets are now being

725
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:26,080
peopled in the same way now

726
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,460
[Music]

727
00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:31,799
as we get toward the end of the book and

728
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:33,960
I should say that idea of the space

729
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:35,880
people seeding our planet with their own

730
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:39,120
people another very common idea that is

731
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:41,820
going to arise in some contactee and

732
00:31:46,909 --> 00:31:43,740
some non-contacty UFO writings

733
00:31:49,850 --> 00:31:46,919
throughout the the 1950s and 60s there's

734
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:49,860
a lot here that Drake is putting

735
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:52,380
together he's not inventing anything

736
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:54,899
really from Whole cloth

737
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:57,299
um as with all contact the early contact

738
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,480
details the the overtones from from

739
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:03,000
spiritualism stuff and channeling are

740
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:05,520
are very clear but he's

741
00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:07,980
like I said before you can't get around

742
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:12,059
the fact that he is the one who's

743
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:13,980
sorting sort of putting these pieces

744
00:32:19,010 --> 00:32:17,220
together in ways that he hasn't been

745
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:19,020
recognized for and I I certainly haven't

746
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:20,340
recognized him for it because I didn't

747
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:23,640
know about him until relatively recently

748
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,380
and I feel like I should rewrite my

749
00:32:29,389 --> 00:32:27,120
contact ebook because

750
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:29,399
you know there needs to be a sort of

751
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,080
prologue about Eugene Drake near the end

752
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,299
of the book Drake is able to meet with

753
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:38,880
some people from planets other than

754
00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:43,970
the jupitarians are very dignified and

755
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,020
stately the leaders are very tall and

756
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:48,360
dark-skinned they have peculiar facial

757
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,100
expressions unlike those of any other

758
00:32:54,649 --> 00:32:52,380
planet their eyes are large soft and

759
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,659
very brilliant dark brown in color their

760
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,399
faces are long one half longer than

761
00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:57,600
people of Earth

762
00:33:01,789 --> 00:32:59,399
some of these stand seven to twelve feet

763
00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:01,799
tall they're very well built according

764
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,779
to Earth standards their women are very

765
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,880
beautiful graceful and well-formed and

766
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:07,980
are considered some of the graceful of

767
00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:09,720
the planets even though they have this

768
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,179
odd facial characteristic their skin is

769
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:14,399
very smooth and radiant some of the men

770
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:21,529
visitors from space closes with estralon

771
00:33:28,130 --> 00:33:24,720
and arimia speaking giving a speech sort

772
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:28,140
of in in unison or together and they

773
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:30,120
they basically reiterate this idea that

774
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,620
the people of Earth the leaders of Earth

775
00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:33,539
need to

776
00:33:42,049 --> 00:33:37,980
they they sort of get into some

777
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:44,090
we whom you call space beings are not

778
00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:46,500
deceived by your window dressing peace

779
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:48,360
talks for we are now in possession of

780
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:50,700
the facts we know the secret plans and

781
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:52,620
the vaults of all Nations we know the

782
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,120
people of Earth want peace with all

783
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,679
other people we know that certain

784
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:57,840
leaders do not want peace except as they

785
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,700
can dictate it we know that your group

786
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,440
of Nations have lost control of the

787
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,539
situation and are not able in their

788
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:05,279
divided activity to bring about peace

789
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,320
because within their own ranks they are

790
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,480
not in agreement we know the basic

791
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:11,460
principles set forth when this group was

792
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:13,560
organized was not actuated by holy

793
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,260
premises therefore will not endure any

794
00:34:20,570 --> 00:34:18,720
more than your past League of Nations in

795
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,580
your own language Earth man you cannot

796
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:22,800
have a rotten apple in a barrel and not

797
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,599
have the whole barrel of apples affected

798
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,879
even cause the barrel to become rotten

799
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,040
too your leaders are deceiving no one

800
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:30,960
but themselves but the sad part of it is

801
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:32,760
they would rather destroy a civilization

802
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:35,220
even a planet than stand in the light of

803
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:37,500
right principle in action therefore we

804
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,260
as stated will not stand by and see this

805
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,760
Earth destroyed as it was in the

806
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:44,159
previous atomic war even though many of

807
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,440
your people hardly weren't better we

808
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:48,240
space beings your Elder Brothers shall

809
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,520
if necessary use powers beyond your

810
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:52,320
knowledge to preserve the Earth and

811
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:53,580
those who will be chosen to become

812
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,240
leaders in the New Age dispensation

813
00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,000
[Music]

814
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:01,800
there are some similarities and some

815
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:04,500
differences here from later contacty

816
00:35:12,010 --> 00:35:08,400
things the idea of protecting Earth in

817
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:12,020
some way from disaster and preserving

818
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,380
some of the people who are worthy of

819
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:18,480
being quote leaders in the New Age

820
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,320
dispensation is very much like what

821
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:24,720
would be promoted in the ashtar books

822
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:28,320
later in the 1950s and onward through

823
00:35:34,730 --> 00:35:31,140
um the present uh the present day of

824
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:34,740
course both of both this and the uh the

825
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:37,680
ashtar stuff have heavy overtones of

826
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,619
eschatological overtones of of a Rapture

827
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:42,960
of the worthy and things like that so it

828
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:45,000
might not be that somebody like George

829
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:47,880
Van Tassel was copying from Drake

830
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:51,060
um in some as much as you've got Drake

831
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:54,780
and Van Tassel both sort of copying from

832
00:36:01,390 --> 00:35:57,900
The Book of Revelation or something

833
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,400
but the spaceship angle makes it again

834
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,800
again a little a little suspect so

835
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:06,420
that's a similarity but a difference I

836
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,380
think

837
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:10,320
is from from the the adamsky stuff at

838
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:12,660
least is that these these space brothers

839
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:17,099
are perfectly willing to to to intervene

840
00:36:22,849 --> 00:36:20,280
uh there's no indication that they

841
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:22,859
expect Earth leaders to do the right

842
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,660
thing and they do draw a distinction

843
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:26,400
between the leaders of Nations and the

844
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:28,980
people in those Nations which I think is

845
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:30,540
uh is nice

846
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:33,780
so that is that is this book visitors

847
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:36,900
from space and it is a uh it is a a bit

848
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:39,420
of a bombshell uh as far as

849
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:41,460
finding this and experiencing this and

850
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:43,320
reading about this as as a few people

851
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:44,940
have written about it online and

852
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:48,119
realizing that some of these ideas uh

853
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,820
slightly predated some other things that

854
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:52,500
came out we'll talk more about that

855
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,260
after the break as we also get into

856
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:58,560
another Eugene Drake pamphlet

857
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:02,160
a visit to Venus sound familiar

858
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,470
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859
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:11,760
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860
00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:15,060
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861
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862
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:20,339
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863
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:23,760
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864
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:26,820
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865
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,020
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866
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,079
program from 1955. we're in an old man

867
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:37,680
in Ireland thinks he sees aliens

868
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,540
um that was that was a lot of fun it's

869
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,520
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870
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:44,040
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871
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872
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:48,300
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873
00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:50,460
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874
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:52,700
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875
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,500
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876
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,359
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877
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,280
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878
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,220
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879
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:04,320
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880
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:05,940
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881
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:09,660
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882
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:11,220
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883
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:13,500
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884
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:16,740
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885
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:17,599
Michigan

886
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:20,940
48480 so now we have some feedback on

887
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:25,079
our incident at Exeter episode and um

888
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:27,000
the the one comment I got more than ever

889
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:29,160
more than anything else from a couple

890
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:31,740
different people was some surprise and

891
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,480
in some cases some disappointment that I

892
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,520
didn't talk about Fuller's incident at

893
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:37,200
Exeter book and I do want to be clear I

894
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:39,480
have read the book I did read the book I

895
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:41,160
just didn't read the book until after I

896
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:43,500
had looked through the the Project Blue

897
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:46,200
Book materials and For Better or Worse

898
00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:47,520
while there is some incredibly

899
00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:50,820
interesting stuff in the Fuller book I I

900
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:54,060
do stand by my decision to have focused

901
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:56,940
on the um focused on the blue book

902
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:59,160
reports and that sort of paper trail and

903
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:00,900
that back and forth as sort of the focus

904
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:03,660
on that episode correspondent Lester

905
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,020
says good calm UFO story but boring no

906
00:39:12,349 --> 00:39:09,839
schmidtype con men no car type obsessive

907
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:12,359
nut Burgers no Cults in consequence I

908
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:13,980
look forward to a Sean David Morton

909
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:17,700
episode also more UFO Cults um that of

910
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,420
Bowen peep Etc yeah it was a a good calm

911
00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:23,520
UFO story I don't think it was a boring

912
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:26,339
story you can't have Reinhold Schmidt

913
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,099
every time uh we'd uh we'd have to close

914
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:32,240
down for lack of interesting con artists

915
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:34,800
uh yeah there's going to be a Sean David

916
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:36,420
Morton episode

917
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:38,820
at some point that's a that's a big job

918
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:42,839
though uh doc uh doc um doc Pinko on

919
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,700
Twitter says maybe I'm off base with

920
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:46,079
this comment tell me if you think I am

921
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,060
but if Bertrand says he doesn't know

922
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:50,579
what the UFO was he can't therefore be

923
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:53,099
certain it wasn't an aircraft maybe I'm

924
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:55,320
overthinking it we academics can do that

925
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,060
we certainly can

926
00:40:02,750 --> 00:39:58,800
um I don't think you're overthinking it

927
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,760
I think that uh Bertrand

928
00:40:08,270 --> 00:40:05,460
you know he did say he doesn't know what

929
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:08,280
it was but he knows it wasn't any sort

930
00:40:12,589 --> 00:40:10,440
of conventional aircraft with which he

931
00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:12,599
was familiar

932
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,320
um he doesn't jump entirely into the UFO

933
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:19,680
or the Extraterrestrial hypothesis but

934
00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:21,420
um there is some wiggle room there in

935
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:23,660
what he's saying for some type of

936
00:40:29,410 --> 00:40:26,820
non-conventional terrestrial aircraft to

937
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,420
be uh to be at fault

938
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:31,980
uh Debbie sort of speaking more

939
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:33,240
generally and sharing an interesting

940
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,700
story Debbie says hello saucer people

941
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:37,680
Since Aaron and the saucer wife are in

942
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,940
Michigan I want to share this little

943
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:40,740
trivia with you I've been listening to

944
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:43,140
audiobooks of the cat Who series by

945
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:45,060
Lillian Jackson Braun available on

946
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:46,800
YouTube they all take place in a

947
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:48,540
fictional County in the northern Midwest

948
00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:51,420
of the USA far from any big cities the

949
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:52,859
county and towns are not real but many

950
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:54,060
think the author was thinking of

951
00:40:58,490 --> 00:40:56,700
Michigan probably the U.P 400 miles

952
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:58,500
north of everywhere as the characters

953
00:41:02,510 --> 00:41:00,780
say the one I last listened to is called

954
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:02,520
the cat who saw stars and follows the

955
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:04,680
lead character a newspaper reporter and

956
00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:06,780
his two Siamese cats on a brief vacation

957
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:09,000
in a cabin on the shores of a large lake

958
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:11,220
this Resort Community claims to have an

959
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,500
unusual number of UFO sightings and many

960
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:15,119
residents believe they are being visited

961
00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:17,160
our hero scoffs at this for the whole

962
00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:19,560
story until the very end when he has a

963
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:21,540
strange experience of his own I have to

964
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:22,920
wonder if Ms Braun was aware of

965
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:24,300
Michigan's claims of this kind of

966
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,040
activity it's a sweet and interesting

967
00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:27,599
story and your listeners might enjoy it

968
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,099
just wanted to share how I'm finding the

969
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:31,200
soft topic crawling into many areas of

970
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,060
entertainment love your show thanks for

971
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,520
your work thank you Debbie and

972
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:37,680
um I haven't read any of the Lillian

973
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:39,960
Jackson Braun sort of uh mystery books

974
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:42,300
and I think they unless I'm wrong they

975
00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:44,520
very much fit into that that genre of

976
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:47,579
cozy uh cozy mystery which is

977
00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:50,339
incredibly popular there is actually a

978
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:52,020
paranormal themed cozy mystery series

979
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:55,740
set in Roswell that

980
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,200
um that the the saucer wife and I are

981
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,520
going to be reading and talking about

982
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:01,920
for a patreon bonus episode so that's

983
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:04,440
going to be going to be kind of fun but

984
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:06,780
I think I might need to check out the

985
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,060
cat who saw stars because that sounds

986
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:11,940
like definitely like something I would

987
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:13,980
want to I would want to know about

988
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,099
finally we have an email signed from a

989
00:42:20,569 --> 00:42:19,260
secret reptilian diro from the center of

990
00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:20,579
the Earth

991
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:22,320
just finished listening to the primary

992
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,820
Gulf Breeze stuff and a trend that I

993
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,200
noticed there and it really is a theme

994
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,000
in a lot of ufology seems to be that no

995
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,760
one gets along at all ufologists at

996
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:31,380
least contemporary ones seem to fit into

997
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,420
a pattern of interesting Viewpoint or

998
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,240
person is adopted ufologists slash UFO

999
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:38,160
nuts become personally invested in the

1000
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:40,320
new idea or person defending zealously

1001
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:42,420
Viewpoint becomes ingrained into the

1002
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:43,859
discourse to the point that even the

1003
00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:45,599
disbelievers of person or argument are

1004
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,579
using it in their language no new

1005
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,200
results new findings nothing of Interest

1006
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,720
brings increasing ire as people have

1007
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:54,000
nothing new to engage with people turn

1008
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:55,680
on the idea or researcher at an

1009
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,960
increasing Pace incorporating conspiracy

1010
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:00,240
language into why it failed so and so as

1011
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:02,339
a plant disinformation from X Etc

1012
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,579
concept is abandoned or defended by an

1013
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,440
increasingly dedicated Fringe Of The

1014
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:10,079
Fringe I know and I'm very interested in

1015
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:11,880
your research of conspiracy culture and

1016
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,020
I'm wondering if there's any way to

1017
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,119
liberate ufology from this perspective

1018
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,640
how do we stop the cycle is there any

1019
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,500
real genuine way to create healthy

1020
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:21,359
discourse among the voices in ufology

1021
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:23,700
instead of just regurgitating Roswell or

1022
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:25,740
conspiracy at each other thank you so

1023
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:27,900
much love the show

1024
00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:30,960
thank you secret reptilian Duro from the

1025
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:32,819
center of the earth and I think you're

1026
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:35,220
you're sort of pattern of how UFO

1027
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:39,180
discourse works is is very

1028
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:41,940
easily easy to illustrate from various

1029
00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:45,000
uh various points in the history of the

1030
00:43:49,550 --> 00:43:46,619
topic I think you can pull out any

1031
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:49,560
number of examples of how this works

1032
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:53,040
now as for liberating ufology from

1033
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:58,560
conspiracy I I think as long as the bulk

1034
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:02,400
of ufology remains focused on an

1035
00:44:08,809 --> 00:44:04,920
extraterrestrial hypothesis and physical

1036
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:08,819
objects in the air you're going to

1037
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,400
necessarily have overtones of

1038
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:13,440
governments hiding things and government

1039
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:16,740
cover-ups and that of course is is

1040
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:19,440
always fodder for conspiracy thinking I

1041
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:23,760
think the only real way to uh to

1042
00:44:31,390 --> 00:44:28,020
liberate ufology from conspiracism is or

1043
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,400
would be for ufology to

1044
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:33,900
increasingly move in a direction that it

1045
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:36,540
has been dipping in and out of in

1046
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,660
various areas for its very existence of

1047
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:41,579
making ufology

1048
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:45,740
be considered one aspect of a broader

1049
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:50,520
spectrum of Paranormal Activity of of

1050
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:53,400
putting of putting ufology in the same

1051
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:57,780
category as hauntings or little people

1052
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,440
sightings or other folkloric aspects of

1053
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,040
things the problem with that is you can

1054
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,200
also have conspiracies that are based

1055
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:09,480
around those things why are the

1056
00:45:15,050 --> 00:45:11,220
scientists covering up the extra

1057
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:15,060
dimensional nature of UFOs things like

1058
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:19,140
that I don't know if there is a way to

1059
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,319
fully divorce ufology from conspiracism

1060
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:24,000
I

1061
00:45:35,329 --> 00:45:31,020
it won't happen in any sort of

1062
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:35,339
total way but I I think efforts to

1063
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,560
examine ufology

1064
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:39,599
and UFO sightings and encounters through

1065
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:42,900
a folkloric lens is a step in the right

1066
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:45,300
direction but

1067
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:48,060
I'm not sure if the UFO industrial

1068
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:52,800
complex will will permit that but it's a

1069
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:54,599
good question and something that that

1070
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:58,140
I've been ruminating on for a a very

1071
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,380
long time increasingly I am convinced

1072
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:03,839
that conspiracy thinking ruins

1073
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:05,700
so many things

1074
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,800
but not Eugene Drake it doesn't ruin

1075
00:46:12,349 --> 00:46:10,079
Eugene Drake at least not yet so let's

1076
00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:12,359
get back to Eugene Drake and his visit

1077
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:14,200
to Venus

1078
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,040
[Music]

1079
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:22,260
okay life on other planets a visit to

1080
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:24,540
Venus from the fellowship of a golden of

1081
00:46:30,050 --> 00:46:27,960
golden illumination by Eugene H Drake is

1082
00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:30,060
about 22 Pages it's another little

1083
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:35,240
booklet and it seems to have appeared in

1084
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:39,180
1951 or so so the next year after the uh

1085
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:42,660
the initial book and it uh it opens not

1086
00:46:47,809 --> 00:46:46,020
with a four what is copyright 1950 so

1087
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:47,819
um actually now that I S now that I see

1088
00:46:54,349 --> 00:46:50,640
that so very much hard on the heels of

1089
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:54,359
Drake's first pamphlet it's got a uh a

1090
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,980
sort of drawing of the solar system on

1091
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,079
the cover and inside the front cover

1092
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:00,839
there is a beautiful pencil drawing of

1093
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:03,660
the uh the the Space Commander estralon

1094
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:06,660
a picture of her same picture that is in

1095
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,940
uh in the first book and instead of

1096
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:12,000
opening with a forward we open with a

1097
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:15,300
sort of dedication and thanks to various

1098
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:19,609
we want to express our gratitude and

1099
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,180
thank all who have contributed to the

1100
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:22,800
inspirational information incorporated

1101
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:25,319
into this booklet Venus the planet of

1102
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:28,619
affection Anil star Angel sunat kumara

1103
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:33,359
logos aramia esterlon Andros Mars the

1104
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:37,680
planet of action samayal star Angel boo

1105
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:40,980
it is Then followed by eight hyphens

1106
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:43,020
Saturn the planet of concentration

1107
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:47,040
cassial star Angel Ura Jupiter the

1108
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:50,060
planet of abundance zakarial star Angel

1109
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:53,700
barasa and Alonzo P Mathewson astronomer

1110
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:55,800
formerly Court astronomer to King George

1111
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:03,349
I'll be honest I have no idea what

1112
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:05,220
almost any of that means I recognize the

1113
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:08,339
names of uh of esterlon and aramia

1114
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:11,700
though so what is the the point of this

1115
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:13,560
book it's a visit to Venus

1116
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:16,140
Drake says first after soon after rather

1117
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:17,880
his first contact with the venusian

1118
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,760
commander aramia and esterlon which he

1119
00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:22,980
says the first Contact was in 1930 but

1120
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:25,319
they're talking about Atomic weapons but

1121
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:27,000
he mentioned the League of Nations I

1122
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:28,200
forgot to bring this up but the League

1123
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:32,760
of Nations wasn't a thing by 1949 or

1124
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,359
1950 the timeline really is all over the

1125
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:38,700
place but in any case he is having

1126
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:42,720
another contact uh he is contacted by

1127
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,200
aramian esterlon he gets a visitation at

1128
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,900
from esterlon who tells him to go to a

1129
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:51,359
certain Desert location to be picked up

1130
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,220
I kind of wonder if it was Desert Center

1131
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:56,640
near where adamski had his meeting with

1132
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:58,680
orthon on board the ship he describes

1133
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:01,140
bunks and control panels and he's being

1134
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,200
shown around by esterlon and it they

1135
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,200
don't just walk around the ship it's a

1136
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,599
strange way of sort of interacting and

1137
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:14,210
estralon is now standing in the control

1138
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:16,380
room watching the various panels The

1139
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:17,640
Operators have already taken their

1140
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,740
respective positions at this point the

1141
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:21,300
most unusual spectacle that I've ever

1142
00:49:24,829 --> 00:49:23,160
witnessed begins when estralon suddenly

1143
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,839
inclines her head as though in silent

1144
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,880
prayer and gradually appears to be

1145
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:29,040
growing taller to a height of almost

1146
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,740
eight feet powerful waves of magnetic

1147
00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:33,359
and electrical forces emanate in all

1148
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:34,920
directions from her body

1149
00:49:38,089 --> 00:49:36,900
as I glance around me everyone within

1150
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,099
range of my vision has become

1151
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:40,079
electrified and radiant standing at

1152
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:42,660
attention at specific stations estralon

1153
00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:44,819
raises her right hand moves it in a Wide

1154
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:46,859
Circle three times and brings her arm

1155
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:49,140
down to her side as she does so I

1156
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,460
observe the expression on her face

1157
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:53,040
changing to one of commanding mean all

1158
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,900
at once the entire vessel is filled with

1159
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:56,880
a bluish white phosphorescent light

1160
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,460
officers and crew alike begin to Glow In

1161
00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:01,920
The Light thus becoming more etheric

1162
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:04,140
leaning forward and taking me by the

1163
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:06,060
hand esterlon lifts me clear of the

1164
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,560
ship's deck as though I were no heavier

1165
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,540
than a feather in this position I am

1166
00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:11,280
carried to the room assigned to me where

1167
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:12,780
I am put on the cot like an infant

1168
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,060
bending over me she softly touches her

1169
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:17,339
lips to my forehead and then departs a

1170
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:18,839
comfortable warmth creeps through me

1171
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,060
making me feel very much at peace and

1172
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:22,800
slowly I drift off into a state of

1173
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:25,020
suspended animation not until we draw

1174
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:27,000
near to Venus am I Disturbed or changed

1175
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:29,040
from that state the condition is altered

1176
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:30,599
by esterlon who enters the room and

1177
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:32,339
touches my forehead with the tip of a

1178
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,560
finger its light touch serves to induce

1179
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:37,140
me to gain my normal Consciousness then

1180
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,480
she gestures for me to follow her I note

1181
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:41,040
that her size has resumed ordinary

1182
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:42,960
proportions but none of the magnetism

1183
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,000
has departed we enter the control room

1184
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:47,040
again and I'm led to the space mirror

1185
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,049
I think it's really interesting that he

1186
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:56,880
he sort of takes up this etheric idea

1187
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,220
and how their form changes at various

1188
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,960
times and that some of their their

1189
00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:03,599
personal electromagnetic energy is

1190
00:51:08,089 --> 00:51:06,359
connected to the travel and that he as a

1191
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,099
human I presume because it's because

1192
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:11,040
he's a human has to travel in suspended

1193
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,400
animation between Earth and Venus I

1194
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:16,319
think that's fascinating so on the space

1195
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:18,059
mirror which is kind of a view screen

1196
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:21,300
what he sees is Venus and he's they're

1197
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:22,920
coming into Venus they're going through

1198
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:26,220
the atmosphere and he tells us about it

1199
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:29,460
it is a beautiful place of course the

1200
00:51:34,609 --> 00:51:32,099
architecture is like nothing on Earth

1201
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,619
beautiful Parks surround the buildings

1202
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:36,900
the people are beautiful once they leave

1203
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:39,240
the ship and land the people are

1204
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,460
beautiful they're tall and blonde with

1205
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:44,160
blonde hair tall and blonde with blonde

1206
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:45,960
hair they're tall and blonde with golden

1207
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:49,020
hair he says beautiful blue eyes sparkle

1208
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:52,680
with kindness their clothes are are is a

1209
00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,140
very pastel pink light blue light green

1210
00:52:01,370 --> 00:51:57,900
lemon orange light purple lavender and

1211
00:52:03,549 --> 00:52:01,380
Orchid they wear gold jewelry and

1212
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:03,559
ornaments it looks like a beautiful

1213
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:06,660
science fictional place the people he

1214
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:08,940
says are highly Advanced spiritually

1215
00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:13,260
mentally and physically they've got

1216
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,420
magical technology that they've got

1217
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:18,000
wisdom and then then he goes to

1218
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:21,240
estralon's house which is which is kind

1219
00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:29,089
The Lawns are covered with a pinkish

1220
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:31,319
blue-green grass the blades of which are

1221
00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:33,660
strange to me the flowers are such Hue

1222
00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:35,099
and shape that it is difficult to

1223
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,079
describe them they resemble snowflakes

1224
00:52:41,210 --> 00:52:38,880
and pattern are radiant in color and

1225
00:52:43,309 --> 00:52:41,220
dewy in texture their delicate fragrance

1226
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,319
is wafted upon the breeze blowing softly

1227
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,599
around the spot the trees are not tall

1228
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,000
hardly 15 feet in height they're

1229
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,920
colorful as are the shrubs and plants

1230
00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:52,319
one does not see as much Vivid Green in

1231
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:54,359
the foliage on Venus as on Earth but

1232
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,040
yellow and lavender are much in evidence

1233
00:53:00,049 --> 00:52:58,380
gorgeous rose bushes flourish among the

1234
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:00,059
other flowers which are interspersed by

1235
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,740
beautiful ferns

1236
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:03,599
the Phoenicians informed me that the

1237
00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:05,700
impending golden age on Earth will bring

1238
00:53:09,309 --> 00:53:07,559
many startling changes in the foliage of

1239
00:53:11,630 --> 00:53:09,319
trees Vines shrubs plants and flowers

1240
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:11,640
also a Sublime expansion of the

1241
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:13,079
personalities of its inhabitants will

1242
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,300
take place as the harmony of peace and

1243
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,760
Brotherly Love abides in the unfolding

1244
00:53:25,549 --> 00:53:20,400
consciousness of the superior races that

1245
00:53:30,589 --> 00:53:27,829
I think it's a fascinating idea that the

1246
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,599
the Golden Age of of wisdom and and

1247
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,640
Earth being inhabited by beings who are

1248
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:34,800
fully in tune with the cosmos and things

1249
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,859
like that is going to affect the plant

1250
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,420
life and the appearance of the plant

1251
00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:41,520
life I think that is absolutely

1252
00:53:48,010 --> 00:53:44,420
fascinating we go through a few pages of

1253
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,020
basically Drake talking about

1254
00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:50,640
estralon's family of course they're all

1255
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:53,460
beautiful and wise the the father is is

1256
00:53:59,329 --> 00:53:56,280
handsome and Brilliant the mother is is

1257
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,339
beautiful the little sister is

1258
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,720
um I think I think it's a younger sister

1259
00:54:04,910 --> 00:54:02,880
that's the impression I got is beautiful

1260
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:04,920
and affectionate to Drake and is is

1261
00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:07,619
wearing some outfit with a bare midriff

1262
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:11,160
um so uh so so Drake is is really really

1263
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:14,280
kind of far gone on the um on on the

1264
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,780
pretty space women you just want to say

1265
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,240
you know you know Grandpa Drake please

1266
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:21,119
stop talking about the young uh the

1267
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:23,400
young women and as we get to the end of

1268
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:25,800
this pamphlet we uh we see Drake you

1269
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,420
know he's able to enter the chamber

1270
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,520
where the members of the the venusian

1271
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,160
council are um

1272
00:54:37,370 --> 00:54:34,559
are and members of council from other

1273
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,380
planets are are meeting and he uh he's

1274
00:54:42,290 --> 00:54:39,780
able to interact with their political

1275
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,300
leadership a bit and what's great about

1276
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:44,400
it is um it there's there's characters

1277
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,900
and there's there's sort of plot

1278
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,520
development we see the relations between

1279
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:49,980
these people he says

1280
00:54:53,089 --> 00:54:51,660
while I'm in the chamber I observe all

1281
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,099
the members of the council turn toward

1282
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:55,680
the door it swings open and it's a very

1283
00:54:59,210 --> 00:54:57,480
striking person tall and handsome

1284
00:55:00,349 --> 00:54:59,220
wearing the uniform of a space officer

1285
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,359
comes in

1286
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,760
esterlon flashes the thought to me this

1287
00:55:07,730 --> 00:55:05,280
is my brother estudar he is just in from

1288
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:07,740
the planet Jupiter end quote Justin from

1289
00:55:13,849 --> 00:55:10,140
Jupiter sis how are things going here on

1290
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:13,859
Venus it's just it's very very science

1291
00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:15,720
fictiony and I know a lot of contactee

1292
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,859
stuff is

1293
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:18,720
it always is

1294
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,260
um very very sort of suspect that it's

1295
00:55:27,530 --> 00:55:24,480
so science fictiony but there's some

1296
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:27,540
great uh there's some great writing here

1297
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,339
um talks about estudar who has who has

1298
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,980
you know wings uh which is strange but

1299
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:33,839
this this sentence

1300
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,440
um this phrase is just great estudar the

1301
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:39,359
Birdman from Uranus the bird man from

1302
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:42,420
Uranus needs to be a movie it might have

1303
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:45,359
been a movie it feels like it should

1304
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,020
have been a movie so as the as the book

1305
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:50,640
concludes

1306
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:53,880
um we we hear some more about very much

1307
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:56,460
um very very similar to what we saw in

1308
00:56:00,109 --> 00:55:58,140
the first book

1309
00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:00,119
um there are you know higher thoughts

1310
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:02,940
out in the cosmos and The Ether on the

1311
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:04,740
vibratory waves that people who are

1312
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,559
sufficiently Advanced can uh can tune

1313
00:56:12,349 --> 00:56:09,839
into uh we hear more about the little

1314
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:12,359
people on these planets

1315
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:15,780
um who are quote merely workers which

1316
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:18,420
sounds a bit a bit dismissive they're

1317
00:56:24,770 --> 00:56:20,760
the same people I believe

1318
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:24,780
um who were working on the ship but it's

1319
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:27,540
it's very it's very interesting because

1320
00:56:31,849 --> 00:56:29,579
and and we're not going to read the

1321
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:31,859
whole book here together of course uh

1322
00:56:35,569 --> 00:56:33,180
and I probably did put the Midway break

1323
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:35,579
a little past the midpoint uh sorry

1324
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:39,119
about that but it's interesting that

1325
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:43,920
again you've got so many items and so

1326
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,059
many like tropes and uh stereotypes and

1327
00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,540
and things that become such Staples of

1328
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:53,700
the contacty genre and they're here in

1329
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:57,000
these booklets from a guy that very very

1330
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,940
few people uh very very few people know

1331
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,400
about now Collins and falkstrom in

1332
00:57:07,549 --> 00:57:05,040
addition to sort of sort of you know

1333
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,559
picking up on as as anybody who reads it

1334
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:08,880
probably would who knows about it

1335
00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:10,740
probably would the the similarities

1336
00:57:17,630 --> 00:57:11,819
between

1337
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:17,640
the one hand and orthon and Aura Reigns

1338
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:19,260
on the other

1339
00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:21,960
um I think Aura Reigns is a bit less

1340
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,020
complex a character than esterlon but

1341
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:26,400
another thing that the Collins and

1342
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:29,579
falkstrom point out is that uh the the

1343
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,059
speech that aramia gives about

1344
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:35,280
um you know we will intervene against

1345
00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:38,339
you you leaders of Destruction is is

1346
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:41,940
very similar to to what klatu would say

1347
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:46,380
in the the 1951 version of The Day the

1348
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:47,880
Earth stands still

1349
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:49,500
so

1350
00:57:55,069 --> 00:57:52,619
again not just pre-saging contact D

1351
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:55,079
stuff but pre-saging

1352
00:58:03,130 --> 00:57:59,599
um films as well films that were often

1353
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,140
often shown as Inspirations for

1354
00:58:08,569 --> 00:58:06,420
contactee ideas so those are the

1355
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,579
materials we have from Drake in that

1356
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,520
period before the main contact e

1357
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:14,460
movement starts up we do have some other

1358
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:18,180
things and I am I am grateful to uh the

1359
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:19,800
saucers at time for God for not just

1360
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,660
writing about this but providing links

1361
00:58:26,809 --> 00:58:23,520
to some of these primary sources we've

1362
00:58:29,569 --> 00:58:26,819
got a little bit of of a a thing from

1363
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:29,579
Irani aramia that was published in the

1364
00:58:35,470 --> 00:58:32,040
interplanetary news Digest the second

1365
00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:35,480
issue of that in um

1366
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:38,339
1954 and the interplanetary News Digest

1367
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:39,720
was published out of Joshua Tree

1368
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:41,700
California

1369
00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:44,520
um Genevieve Johnston was the editor of

1370
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:47,160
it and you you basically have some

1371
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,339
articles you've got some

1372
00:58:56,210 --> 00:58:52,319
um some pieces from other people Bob

1373
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:56,220
Short uh contactee is has his visit with

1374
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:57,540
a space man in there we're gonna have to

1375
00:58:59,870 --> 00:58:59,160
do a bob short

1376
00:59:03,109 --> 00:58:59,880
um

1377
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:03,119
episode at some point but there is a

1378
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:06,180
little bit from aramia from Captain or

1379
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,430
aramia the venusian commander of a space

1380
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,900
Fleet greetings o people of Earth from

1381
00:59:19,789 --> 00:59:18,000
the planet Venus we have outer space

1382
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,799
which to correct some of the statements

1383
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:22,079
being made by Earth men no Earth people

1384
00:59:25,849 --> 00:59:23,940
are being picked up by our craft in

1385
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,859
their physical bodies nor using your

1386
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,960
terms being kidnapped we are only

1387
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:29,700
picking up our own people whom we have

1388
00:59:34,010 --> 00:59:32,040
landed in certain areas we operate from

1389
00:59:35,569 --> 00:59:34,020
a higher Dimension and that density our

1390
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,579
bodies are more solid than yours but

1391
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:37,440
they vibrate at a considerably higher

1392
00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:40,020
frequency we have taken Earth people in

1393
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,059
their more refined bodies the etheric

1394
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:43,680
that they might be acquainted with our

1395
00:59:47,150 --> 00:59:44,819
mission but none in their physical

1396
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,160
bodies such would have to be placed in a

1397
00:59:50,569 --> 00:59:48,720
state of deep trance or suspended

1398
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:50,579
animation to withstand the terrific

1399
00:59:54,589 --> 00:59:52,740
light and power which our craft generate

1400
00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:54,599
we are masters of the elements and use

1401
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:56,819
our minds and telepathic powers in a

1402
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,020
manner which Earth people cannot

1403
01:00:01,789 --> 01:00:00,000
comprehend during the coming months a

1404
01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:01,799
great deal of mischievous activity shall

1405
01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:03,180
affect the psyche of Earth people

1406
01:00:07,309 --> 01:00:05,579
emanating from dark magicians former

1407
01:00:08,809 --> 01:00:07,319
atlanteans and murians who went

1408
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:08,819
underground during the struggle between

1409
01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:10,740
those two races during the last atomic

1410
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:13,260
age as stated before these are the ones

1411
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,760
who surround themselves with such

1412
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,799
noxious odors who would confuse and

1413
01:00:20,990 --> 01:00:18,480
deceive man into thinking they come from

1414
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,000
outer space they're very cunning they

1415
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:22,559
have considerable scientific knowledge

1416
01:00:27,170 --> 01:00:24,660
and are able to use free energy to

1417
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:27,180
construct ships of the substance we

1418
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,220
caution you to be on your guard protect

1419
01:00:33,049 --> 01:00:30,720
yourself by thoroughly checking all

1420
01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:33,059
statements all disc activity in the

1421
01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:34,980
light of your creator keep up your

1422
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:36,540
prayers for peace and impress your

1423
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,940
leaders that only through peace can you

1424
01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:41,280
survive

1425
01:00:47,630 --> 01:00:45,480
this very much reads to me like a a sort

1426
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:47,640
of you know be warned the people who are

1427
01:00:52,030 --> 01:00:50,940
calling themselves contactees are not

1428
01:00:54,170 --> 01:00:52,040
actually

1429
01:00:55,309 --> 01:00:54,180
contactees because you know we would

1430
01:00:57,230 --> 01:00:55,319
never pick up people in their physical

1431
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:57,240
bodies that wouldn't work there needs to

1432
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:01,140
be density changes and and suspended

1433
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:05,160
animation and and things like that so it

1434
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:08,280
very much sounds like uh like Drake is

1435
01:01:17,089 --> 01:01:10,140
trying to

1436
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:17,099
over and above the claims made by others

1437
01:01:22,030 --> 01:01:18,780
but he doesn't write any books he's

1438
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,040
publishing this stuff in his own obscure

1439
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,960
newsletter or at least yeah obscure we

1440
01:01:29,089 --> 01:01:27,359
don't it isn't it isn't big compared to

1441
01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:29,099
what you know the business that people

1442
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:30,599
like bathroom and

1443
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:33,540
and uh and a damn scared doing it's it's

1444
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,220
obscure

1445
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:38,280
um he he wrote some about uh UFO base in

1446
01:01:44,809 --> 01:01:40,680
Antarctica in 1958 in the Golden Light

1447
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:44,819
uh Golden Light uh publication uh but

1448
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:49,500
um it's it it's you know it's

1449
01:01:55,370 --> 01:01:52,319
as time goes on it just becomes wrapped

1450
01:01:57,049 --> 01:01:55,380
up in other UFO stuff and as far as I

1451
01:01:58,970 --> 01:01:57,059
know he didn't invent the Antarctica

1452
01:02:02,329 --> 01:01:58,980
thing we've talked about the Antarctica

1453
01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:02,339
thing before he would also later in the

1454
01:02:07,970 --> 01:02:07,020
1950s and I think into the 1960s

1455
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:07,980
um

1456
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:11,700
begin or continue doing uh doing

1457
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,640
um doing talks and presentations he

1458
01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:16,319
would appear with Daniel Fry's

1459
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:18,900
understanding organization uh Collins

1460
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,000
and falkstrom point out that there was a

1461
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,000
1956 article he was mentioned in in the

1462
01:02:29,329 --> 01:02:26,400
Saturday evening post

1463
01:02:30,829 --> 01:02:29,339
um it says in Los Angeles Eugene H Drake

1464
01:02:32,750 --> 01:02:30,839
director of The Fellowship of golden

1465
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:32,760
illumination photographed space

1466
01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:34,920
creatures by infrared light and tape

1467
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,260
records their conversations Drake claims

1468
01:02:41,450 --> 01:02:39,599
to have toured Vitus on a gravitonic

1469
01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:41,460
sled

1470
01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:42,119
um

1471
01:02:48,530 --> 01:02:46,440
by 1956 in the Golden Light publication

1472
01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:48,540
he's talking about

1473
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,299
um a building of worship in the upper

1474
01:02:55,549 --> 01:02:53,460
Joshua desert where they've he's had his

1475
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,559
his contacts

1476
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:57,359
um it's

1477
01:03:01,730 --> 01:02:59,940
it's interesting he pops up at The

1478
01:03:06,829 --> 01:03:01,740
Amalgamated Flying Saucer Club of

1479
01:03:08,990 --> 01:03:06,839
America uh convention in uh in 1959 he's

1480
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:09,000
mentioned in a book called Faith's Cults

1481
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:14,160
and sects of America in a uh in 1960 and

1482
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:17,640
then you know after the the early 60s he

1483
01:03:26,569 --> 01:03:18,780
kind of

1484
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:26,579
he dies in in 1973 from what we can from

1485
01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:28,020
what we can find

1486
01:03:34,370 --> 01:03:31,380
so what is there to say about this

1487
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:34,380
Eugene Drake character

1488
01:03:37,089 --> 01:03:35,400
um

1489
01:03:43,309 --> 01:03:37,099
I I think it's

1490
01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:43,319
maybe not quite fair to uh just say ah

1491
01:03:47,089 --> 01:03:45,480
a damn ski in bathroom plagiarized

1492
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:47,099
Eugene Drake

1493
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:49,500
I I don't think that's the case

1494
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:50,220
um

1495
01:03:56,690 --> 01:03:53,400
I wish I could know

1496
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:56,700
some more details about just what

1497
01:04:02,569 --> 01:03:59,839
connections and

1498
01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:02,579
overlap might have existed between

1499
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,020
Drake's organization in Southern

1500
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:06,480
California in the 1940s and George

1501
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:09,119
damsky's organization in California in

1502
01:04:14,329 --> 01:04:11,400
the 1940s and the Borderlands science

1503
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:14,339
research Associates people in the 1940s

1504
01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:16,680
all these things are coexisting at the

1505
01:04:23,089 --> 01:04:20,220
same time all sort of sort of generating

1506
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:23,099
Space Age ideas out of older

1507
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:24,900
theosophical ideas

1508
01:04:29,030 --> 01:04:27,540
and there had to be some interaction

1509
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:29,040
there had to be some overlap but we

1510
01:04:33,230 --> 01:04:30,720
don't have solid

1511
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:33,240
sort of connections we don't have you

1512
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:35,520
know Drake saying I was hanging out with

1513
01:04:40,609 --> 01:04:38,040
George adamski down in Laguna Beach last

1514
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:40,619
week we don't have things like that so

1515
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:42,900
there's there's a question I there's a

1516
01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:44,760
question of of who influenced whom when

1517
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,380
and I'm not sure we can ever get to the

1518
01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:48,720
bottom of it what I will say I I think

1519
01:04:56,329 --> 01:04:52,500
is that you've got some over time you've

1520
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:56,339
got some sort of snowballing

1521
01:05:01,069 --> 01:04:57,059
um

1522
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:01,079
rolling downhill kind of one-upsmanship

1523
01:05:07,450 --> 01:05:05,280
and brinksmanship you've got adamski and

1524
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:07,460
Drake talking about

1525
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:11,220
theosophical ideas then you've got UFO

1526
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:14,280
sightings beginning in 1947 and so

1527
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:18,540
you've got damski saying that he is is

1528
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,960
seeing these things with a telescope and

1529
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,000
then he does his

1530
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:26,880
science fiction novel where he talks

1531
01:05:31,130 --> 01:05:28,799
about the beings on different planets in

1532
01:05:34,250 --> 01:05:31,140
their Superior their Superior societies

1533
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,260
and civilizations and then Drake one ups

1534
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:37,440
that by saying well back in 1930

1535
01:05:43,490 --> 01:05:40,440
I met these folks and I've I've been to

1536
01:05:45,170 --> 01:05:43,500
um been to you know Venus and I've met

1537
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:45,180
these I've met these women and then you

1538
01:05:49,010 --> 01:05:46,559
have Truman bathroom saying well hi I

1539
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:49,020
met a woman too and adamski saying well

1540
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,900
I met them out in the desert as well or

1541
01:05:57,710 --> 01:05:54,240
not as well they're ignoring Drake You

1542
01:06:00,109 --> 01:05:57,720
Don't See You Don't See adamski

1543
01:06:01,970 --> 01:06:00,119
talk about Drake you don't see Truman

1544
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:01,980
bethram talk about Drake what I want to

1545
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,700
know my biggest question is one the

1546
01:06:09,890 --> 01:06:07,680
first name of the Miss Tennyson who

1547
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:09,900
ghost wrote bathroom's book about Aura

1548
01:06:14,690 --> 01:06:11,940
Reigns and the next thing I want to know

1549
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:14,700
is did Miss Tennyson was Miss Tennyson

1550
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,160
somebody who had been familiar with

1551
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:19,680
Drake's ideas because the overlap

1552
01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:21,000
between

1553
01:06:25,849 --> 01:06:21,780
um

1554
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:25,859
estralon and Aura Reigns is really

1555
01:06:30,529 --> 01:06:28,380
really fascinating and I think what

1556
01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:30,539
excites me most about this is that we

1557
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,039
might find more things we might find

1558
01:06:36,589 --> 01:06:34,799
more overlaps we might have to do new

1559
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:36,599
additions or

1560
01:06:42,890 --> 01:06:39,240
um of of contact ebooks we might have to

1561
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:42,900
have to fix these things but I will say

1562
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:45,720
that I was surprised and a little

1563
01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:49,380
relieved to find that Greg bishop and

1564
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:52,200
Adam go rightly do not have an entry for

1565
01:06:57,950 --> 01:06:55,440
Eugene Drake in their book A is for Adam

1566
01:07:00,049 --> 01:06:57,960
ski they're sort of Encyclopedia of

1567
01:07:02,569 --> 01:07:00,059
contact East that was very gratifying

1568
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:02,579
that I am not the only person who

1569
01:07:07,609 --> 01:07:05,880
completely overlooked Eugene Drake or

1570
01:07:08,930 --> 01:07:07,619
didn't know about Eugene Drake or or

1571
01:07:11,210 --> 01:07:08,940
didn't honestly might not have had

1572
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,220
enough information to do an entry on

1573
01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:13,920
Eugene Drake but it's it's a fascinating

1574
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:16,500
thing it's always fun to find one of

1575
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:18,960
these folks who you have never seen

1576
01:07:23,890 --> 01:07:21,599
before and I hope you enjoyed this sort

1577
01:07:27,420 --> 01:07:23,900
of look at Eugene Drake in the sort of

1578
01:07:33,289 --> 01:07:27,430
proto-contacty as much as I did

1579
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:33,299
[Music]

1580
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:35,160
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1581
01:07:38,329 --> 01:07:36,599
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1582
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:38,339
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1583
01:07:42,770 --> 01:07:40,740
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1584
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:42,780
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1585
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:44,460
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1586
01:07:50,569 --> 01:07:47,760
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1587
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,579
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